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Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:08 am
by Renegadenemo
In the Speed Record World the 'why?' question is normally dealt with in the same way as a 'when?' question in restoring a blue boat.
Hmm, not quite. The answer to the when question was always that we had no clue as we'd not done one of these before but we always knew why.
But just why slap a ton of batteries into an off the shelf speedboat and take it to what's a modest speed at best? And all that waffle about Williams engineering. Their F1 team is in tatters and their track record with energy efficient propulsion isn't exactly stellar either. All that time they messed with flywheel energy storage then finally had to flog it off at a loss to GKN who, if they've done amazing things with it since, haven't had a lot to say about it. ... o-GKN.html

Yet another case of the emperor having no trousers to go with his new clothes. And as for cycle-boy, all he needs is a more powerful Porsche Cayenne, or whatever it was, with an 8x4 sheet of inch ply strapped to its arse and he can go as fast as he likes.

This bloke is a true hero of mine...

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:59 am
by Malcolm Ops
Williams Advanced Engineering are the division of the Williams empire that provides the power pack and controllers for the Formula E race series, and will do into the next decade. Not a form of motor racing that I will rush off to watch.

The reporting of any World Record is to show the public what is being achieved in the speed world. The modest speed is still best for the class. The class that the craft ran in was dictated by 'others', hence the hull was taken from another race series and re-purposed. [Or as was said on seeing the craft in action - 're-porpoised'].

There is a faster electric record on the UIM list and so the target in October has to be to go over 100 mph.

Back to two pedal wheels - the vehicle with shielding being used in the USA for a bid at Bonneville has 300mph speed potential without its shield in place!

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:34 am
by Mike Bull
It's the 'class' part that gets me - it's either the world's fastest battery powered boat, or it isn't.

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:20 pm
by ted.walsh
ummm re-porpoising...very symptomatic of the DAC hull but straight forward enough to drive through with the correct technique....just wait till they get to 135 (snicker🤪)
now who do i know with that sort of thing experience... :ugeek:

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:42 pm
by Malcolm Ops
Mike Bull wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:34 am
It's either the world's fastest battery powered boat, or it isn't.
At this moment in time

it isn't.

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:31 pm
by Mike Bull

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:56 pm
by quicksilver-wsr
Ahem ... yer ...

I'm sorry to hear about Daniel. I didn't know him but he put a lot of commitment into his project and now I guess we'll never know.

I could comment further on the other stuff on there, but I'm too diplomatic.

Don't like our Graham's name being taken in vain, though, as I'm hurting pretty bad at the moment and feel a lot worse since last week's news of his death really hit me properly.

In response to a request to me from the Blackpool lot for engine help, Graham Pool - with my permission and encouragement - drove up there a few times and did what he was tasked with. (This was well before K777 went to Coniston and sank, and well before we knew what they were going to shamelessly call the thing.)

I felt that the experience Graham would get, working on a jet-propelled hydroplane, would be a useful addition to his already massive experience in the aero-engine field.

That's the positive part. The negative part is that when that particular project gave way to whatever-it-was-called-next, Graham's name was displayed on their website as a "team-member" - without there having been so much as a by-your-leave to either Graham or me. I rang Graham. "First I've heard of it," was his response.

Swift exit, Graham - although he was never, ever 'in' in the first place.

So that's how they showed their gratitude to Graham for the invaluable assistance he had voluntarily rendered. By publicly putting him in the embarrassing position of supposedly being in two competing WWSR projects at the same time. This with no prior warning that would have given him the opportunity to say, "No thanks."

The nasty smell that little episode left has never quite lifted.


Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:33 pm
by quicksilver-wsr
I don't like to drag this out too much on this forum, but it seems my last post on here has prompted a public statement - on the Longbow website, then transmitted elsewhere online - that the contents of my post were malicious and untrue.

Since all this stuff - whether it is on here or elsewhere - is in public view, I feel a response from me is appropriate, as there is always the feeling of "no smoke without fire" if I say nothing.

Here is what the Longbow website says in response to my last BBP forum post:

"It has been brought to our attention that a third party has suggested upon social media, that our dear friend and mentor, the late Mr. D.G. Pool CEng, MIMechE, whom we reported had sadly passed away last month, had indeed not assisted us with our venture.

"We are at a loss as to why such a malicious claim would be made by this individual upon a public forum but trust that the following copy documents show this suggestion to be false."

I looked at the documents they refer to and couldn't make head or tail of them, but they were dated 2013. That's five years ago, which gives a good idea of how long it is since their 'involvement' with their "dear friend and mentor" Graham Pool ended. And it probably ended, if truth be known, some time before that.

Bear in mind that the other project wasn't even called what it is called now, back then. Between K777 and Longbow there was another name, which I can't for the life of me remember as it's not sufficiently important, but the main fellow in question rolls the various names together whenever it suits him and then just as quickly distances them ... you guessed it, whenever it suits him.

Anyway, here are the facts ....

My last post doesn't say Graham did not assist the people concerned with their venture. He did. With my permission and encouragement. It simply states that he ceased to do so once he realised he had been taken advantage of.

The documents produced by the Longbow fellow don't prove a lot. Only two things. One is that Graham was a nice guy who will have given advice and guidance on the topic of engines to anyone who asked for it - but certainly not after the extent of what was going on became apparent to him. The other is that Graham's name was doubtless being bandied about for some time after he had stopped rendering assistance, in a vain effort to imply his continued 'involvement'.

Let me be quite clear and explicit. Graham wanted nothing to do with the people in question once it became clear to both him, and me, that we had been misled as to what the true purpose of their 'venture' was - namely, an attempt on the WWSR.

It stands to reason that we would not help an outfit that was in direct competition with us. It would be effectively negating all the years of hard work that we, and especially Graham, had done. And it is also plainly silly to suggest that a key team-member would fulfil an identical role in two opposing teams.

At the time, I publicly glossed over it - including on here, when Checkie Rob very politely asked the "One man, two teams?" question. I did that mainly to spare the other side's blushes, but also to avoid an unseemly public spat that made Graham feel like a pawn. I soon came to wish I had made plain then and there that what was going on was misleading, at best.

Graham wanted nothing to do with the duplicity. We were frankly duped at the outset into helping these people on the basis that they were going to pay tribute to Donald Campbell when in actual fact they were attempting to plunder some of our best resources in order to set up in direct competition with us. Not just an important team-member, but other things too.

I'll be speaking at Graham's funeral next week. His daughter Linda texted me a couple of days after he died. Part of that text read ...

"I know all about your project. Dad was proud to be a part of the team."

On the other hand - speaking as one who worked with Graham for 11 years, right up until a few weeks before he died - he regretted helping the other lot - as, indeed, I do.

They only knew Graham had died by reading it on our website, then copied content from our Obituary onto their site.

The main lesson I long ago learned from all this? "If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas."


Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:29 am
by Mike Bull
Hadn't realised that this was running TWO Viper engines...

Re: Other Speed Record Breakers Are Available!

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:22 am
by mtskull
Mike Bull wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:29 am
Hadn't realised that this was running TWO Viper engines...
It would be interesting to know the rationale behind that "ballsy" design decision.

Installed in an aircraft, twin engines add reliability; if one stops, you can keep on flying.
Installed in a WSR hydroplane, if one stops, you aren't going to get your record anyway, so why double the chances of something going wrong? I can't see why they would accept all the additional complexity, along with a 500lb weight penalty, for an additional 400lbs of thrust compared to, say, an Orpheus, especially as they know where to find one that isn't currently being used....

Am I missing something here?