No doubt others will point you in the right direction reference the debate about the fate of the sponsons ...StewDurham wrote:Also really tickled to hear that the CN8 mockup is in the same concrete, according to The Bluebird Years... Nothing like a bit of legend to keep the magic alive!!!
Reference the "CN8" mock-up, I will mention again on the forum that caution might be beneficially applied to the use of the term "CN8" for Donald's rocket-car ...
I got to know Leo Villa in the 1973-75 timeframe, and Ken Norris in the 1974-2005 timeframe, and I never heard either Leo or Ken at any time refer to the car as "CN8".
As an 18-year-old, I approached Leo in late 1973 with the idea of seeing if we could revitalise Donald's project, and Leo introduced me to Ken. I was not asking them to "help" me, as some accounts state, but was asking them if we - the three of us: Ken, Leo and I - could join forces to work to try to make it happen.
As anybody will know who has attended any of the 130 (and counting) talks I have given the length and breadth of the country over the past ten years, I was - and I'll quote my own words, delivered to audiences - "A boy trying to do a man's job" there, and there was no way that, as a teenager, I could have played my proper part in making that project come to fruition, but I didn't know that at the time, of course, and so I tried, and the three of us made some worthwhile progress, and, in spite of the inevitable disappointment that came with failure, I learned a great deal about record-breaking in general, and the "CN8" in particular, from those two giants - Villa and Norris - of the record-breaking game.
Soon after I started out, Ken gave me copies of his entire archive for the "CN8" and its Bristol Siddeley BS.605 engine ... every document, bar none - some marked "Confidential" - and asked me to return some of them after use, as there was, in some cases, only one other copy of certain documents in Ken's own archive - and, in a few cases, there was only one copy ... period .. and I had it: the original document.
Nowhere among all those contemporary documents was the term "CN8" ever used. The rocket-car was always referred to either as "the supersonic car," or by its proper name: Bluebird Mach 1.1.
Back in 1968, a polytechnic student called Greville Dawson tried - before me - to resurrect the rocket-car project. With Ken's backing and guidance, Greville did some windtunnel testing of the Mach 1.1 car (in fact, the elegant wooden windtunnel model is about five feet away from me as I write this, on a bookcase in my study here at home). I never heard Greville use the term "CN8" either - and he came onto the scene right away, the year after Donald's death.
I am not saying "Never, never, never" to the use of the "CN8" term. I could be convinced by personal sight of appropriately authentic contemporary documents that the term was used. But in the meantime I would urge caution.
I think I know how the term "CN8" first came into use ... a long story ... boring. But the car already had a name from the outset - Bluebird Mach 1.1: the name Leo Villa uses in his 1969 book, The Record Breakers - so I'm not sure why so many people see the need to use another name for the rocket-car, completely disregarding the name that Donald Campbell, Leo Villa, Ken Norris and Greville Dawson used for it contemporaneously: 1965/66-1975.
(Stands back, awaiting flood of counter-arguments. No problem. I am more than happy to be convinced that the term "CN8" was used while Donald was still alive. I've no axe to grind. I just need to see the proof.)