Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by pmc » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:30 am

+1 'very clever transparent vinyl "dents", painted b some theatrical chappy'

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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by Mike Bull » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:22 am

Richie wrote:I reckon try and unpeal the left hand fairing where the duck dent was, see if there is any hint of it left after the accident and go from there you could then reform it to its pre crash but ruined state. As has been offered as a suggestion The conundrum about leaving it off the boat to show it in a museum case is a toughy.... Usable tin not going back would be a weird step for the team given the ethos that bill has driven into us all over the years...
Richie, the fairing in question- the main front fairing for the front spar- no longer exists anyway. I think Bill told me that only a small corroded strip remained along the top, still screwed to the spar- the rest is gone so we're definitely talking about new material there.

The rear spar fairing still exists, though the seagull damage was wiped out by the crash- I had a good look at it and there was absolutely no trace of the original dent amongst the subsequent crash damage.

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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by Richie » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:51 am

That is that then..... Nice and easy, you cannot sanitise something that is not there to begin with.
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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by Pegasus » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:20 pm

Mike, wonky screws were intrinsically "Bluebird" and so very worthwhile, bird strikes were undesirable, accidental damage.

Malcolm, could it not be said that by rebuilding K7 in the first place history is being "airbrushed" in a rather major way?

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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by Jordangbr » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:27 pm

So was the duck dent on the forward or main spar and which one was the seagull dent?
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Post by Mike Bull » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:46 pm

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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:48 pm

So was the duck dent on the forward or main spar and which one was the seagull dent?
Duck in the front spar, seagull in the main spar root-fairing. The resulting shape of the fairing after the duck hit it (or maybe some other factor) caused the whole of the D-shaped piece of the fairing to tear away leaving only a couple of thin strips of material still screwed to the upper and lower faces of the spar.
There's still much shape to b sorted out on the root fairing so there's nothing preventing us from working around where the seagull hit to leave some evidence.
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Post by Jordangbr » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:16 pm

It would be interesting to know at what speeds the duck and gull damaged occured.
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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by Richie » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:40 pm

And if they were defrosted before hand..
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Re: Dick Ransome / pre-crash damage to K7

Post by malcolm uk » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:46 pm

Pegasus wrote:Malcolm, could it not be said that by rebuilding K7 in the first place history is being "airbrushed" in a rather major way? Phil
The question is well put and takes us back to the early discussion on what to do with the recovered remains. (That can of worms has long since rotted away in the fresh air since recovery).

As I would not have paid or even wanted to see the major hull section 'as it was' pulled from the lake - (you did not see me in Coniston on that day) - my only concern has been that no plan was in place for this important British metal object (OK Novie calm down) - British Icon. By restoring with as much original fabric to the condition of the morning of 4th January I am content that the story is to be told clearly to future generations and the outward and return runs are not airbrushed or altered.

Should it have been the BBP decision to rebuild K7 to her condition as at say 3rd November, then that would have been acceptable too and the interpretation of the whole final campaign would need to be told (as done by Neil S in his book) in the Ruskin.

All the evidence is there as to her condition on 4th January at 08.45 am and if that is the chosen time then why not stick to it.

Anyway, I want to see how Bill can manipulate metal to form such a dent without harming any wildlife :lol:
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