My last post was about the general principle of copyright, not specifically a reference to the K7 symbol that was displayed on Donald's boat.
I agree that that K7 "logo" - for want of a better word - is a different kettle of fish. Not least because someone else - Lloyds? - might already hold the copyright to it.
A pity - because I reckon it would look great on a flash sports-watch face!
Nigel
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I very much doubt Lloyds would care... They might get the hump if you were to try and copyright the design though.
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I've no plans to find out ... It's Bluebird territory. Not my domain!
Interesting to conjecture though.
N.
Interesting to conjecture though.
N.
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There was a bit of a discussion earlier in one of these forum pieces regarding K numbers and such things [Why K10, who K9 etc]
I set a few questions re this and no one replied to them.
Well K10 contacted Lloyds and asked to register the number, the reply back was :
What the heck are you talking about !
Lloyds knew nothing about these boat registrations and were totally perplexed when they were spoken to about this matter.
K is the International racing letter for Great Britain and it looks like back in the days [Malcolm Campbell who was a Lloyds name, so I am led to believe] I presume Segrave et al could actually get insurance with Lloyds and so the number sequence commenced [ perhaps one of our scribes could check into it]
From the response K10 got I would suggest that Lloyds do not hold any rights to the 'infinity' symbol and this was just used to show the class of boat that the boat was racing in
[Unlimited] such as the R series of hydroplanes and the other boat racing classes denoted by letters and symbols. As the classes of boat are set by the RYA or the World governing body for boat racing it would have been them that used the 'infinity' symbol for the Unlimited unrestricted boats.
I set a few questions re this and no one replied to them.
Well K10 contacted Lloyds and asked to register the number, the reply back was :
What the heck are you talking about !
Lloyds knew nothing about these boat registrations and were totally perplexed when they were spoken to about this matter.
K is the International racing letter for Great Britain and it looks like back in the days [Malcolm Campbell who was a Lloyds name, so I am led to believe] I presume Segrave et al could actually get insurance with Lloyds and so the number sequence commenced [ perhaps one of our scribes could check into it]
From the response K10 got I would suggest that Lloyds do not hold any rights to the 'infinity' symbol and this was just used to show the class of boat that the boat was racing in
[Unlimited] such as the R series of hydroplanes and the other boat racing classes denoted by letters and symbols. As the classes of boat are set by the RYA or the World governing body for boat racing it would have been them that used the 'infinity' symbol for the Unlimited unrestricted boats.
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Like I said at the beginning, the figure 8 turned on its side that is the symbol for infinity is owned by nobody, and I cannot see that anyone would be allowed to copyright it.
Anything added to that to make up a K7-style logo, as far as copyright is concerned, would be a matter for lawyers to sort out - if anyone was of a mind to pay them.
Not sure what would be gained in the process, though, to make the cost worthwhile.
N.
Anything added to that to make up a K7-style logo, as far as copyright is concerned, would be a matter for lawyers to sort out - if anyone was of a mind to pay them.
Not sure what would be gained in the process, though, to make the cost worthwhile.
N.
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There is some confusion here!!!
Nothing to do with Lloyds, they don't issue these numbers, but, for insurance, like most water bourne vessels, you register it with Lloyds.
Originally I think the K numbers were issued by the Royal Thames Yacht Club, and then by whoever took over the UK part of the International governing body.
Infinty? Unlimited capacity. Originally Blue Bird K3 was Z30, which I was told was "in shore" (K2 Miss Britain III being for off shore use), but it was decided there was no need to separate them as classes.
K9 was issued, but as the craft wasn't built, it lapsed (Steve Freeman I think), and I really don't know if they go back to them, unless it was registered with Lloyds.
Nothing to do with Lloyds, they don't issue these numbers, but, for insurance, like most water bourne vessels, you register it with Lloyds.
Originally I think the K numbers were issued by the Royal Thames Yacht Club, and then by whoever took over the UK part of the International governing body.
Infinty? Unlimited capacity. Originally Blue Bird K3 was Z30, which I was told was "in shore" (K2 Miss Britain III being for off shore use), but it was decided there was no need to separate them as classes.
K9 was issued, but as the craft wasn't built, it lapsed (Steve Freeman I think), and I really don't know if they go back to them, unless it was registered with Lloyds.
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This thread has certainly thrown up its fair share of info. It's been interesting to read the various snippets of gen.
For those who don't know, Steve Freeman's WWSR project was called Quest - I think I'm correct in saying - which, for whatever reason, didn't ever progress beyond the early conceptual stages.
If "f1steveuk" is correct in speculating that Quest was allocated K9, that finally resolves the question of which boat K9 is/was - as the K9 tag has been linked to me quite a bit down the years, even though in fact it never at any stage had anything even remotely to do with me!
Nigel
For those who don't know, Steve Freeman's WWSR project was called Quest - I think I'm correct in saying - which, for whatever reason, didn't ever progress beyond the early conceptual stages.
If "f1steveuk" is correct in speculating that Quest was allocated K9, that finally resolves the question of which boat K9 is/was - as the K9 tag has been linked to me quite a bit down the years, even though in fact it never at any stage had anything even remotely to do with me!
Nigel
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I have a picture of Quest somewhere, which never looked like it had enough floating area, and was on skis, which to me would have remained under water. I did post a picture of a later version, that replaced the skis with K7 type sponsons. Still couldn't see it floating! There was a guy called Barry involved as well. That was a long time ago!
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I remember the Quest project, but knew very little about it at the time - although I have since seen at least one of the design concepts they generated.
It's amazing how many of these types of projects there have been, which received little or no public attention and then just faded away. I used to have some stuff that had once been Leo's, relating to a WWSR boat called Red Arrow. There were colour photos of all kinds of equipment the folks involved had amassed - including at least one jet engine (a Viper, I think it was) - and they had their logo printed on headed notepaper and so forth, so they had gone to quite a bit of effort to get this project some way towards being set up.
But the odd thing about it was that all this equipment was being kept in a church - or a church hall - and it looked very incongruous in these photos of Leo's I had, I can tell you ... the mixture of ecclesiastical accoutrements and water-speed jet-tech!
I think the main fellow behind Red Arrow might even have been a priest. Whatever, the project disappeared with little trace. I can only assume that Leo had been consulted for advice and that this was why he had the collection of photos and whatnot that eventually found its way to me many years afterwards.
Nigel
It's amazing how many of these types of projects there have been, which received little or no public attention and then just faded away. I used to have some stuff that had once been Leo's, relating to a WWSR boat called Red Arrow. There were colour photos of all kinds of equipment the folks involved had amassed - including at least one jet engine (a Viper, I think it was) - and they had their logo printed on headed notepaper and so forth, so they had gone to quite a bit of effort to get this project some way towards being set up.
But the odd thing about it was that all this equipment was being kept in a church - or a church hall - and it looked very incongruous in these photos of Leo's I had, I can tell you ... the mixture of ecclesiastical accoutrements and water-speed jet-tech!
I think the main fellow behind Red Arrow might even have been a priest. Whatever, the project disappeared with little trace. I can only assume that Leo had been consulted for advice and that this was why he had the collection of photos and whatnot that eventually found its way to me many years afterwards.
Nigel
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The original Quest
And the later Quest,
and this was Phil Villa's boat
Polo might tell us about "Thunderchild"
Then there was the other Barry (I can't remember his surname. Borrowed a Land Rover, never took it back, borrowed a boat, never took it back, pestered Gina and used her name to borrow money, and tried to move in with Ackers on the Isle of Wight. That project didn't even have a drawing!
And the later Quest,
and this was Phil Villa's boat
Polo might tell us about "Thunderchild"
Then there was the other Barry (I can't remember his surname. Borrowed a Land Rover, never took it back, borrowed a boat, never took it back, pestered Gina and used her name to borrow money, and tried to move in with Ackers on the Isle of Wight. That project didn't even have a drawing!
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