Good morning,i am was wondering if anyone could help identify this item i was given in Coniston last week by an elderly gentleman who had witnessed the crash and subsequant recovery operation of Bluebird in 1967 on the lake by the Royal Navy diving team,he was 22 at the time and lived in Ulverston.He was given the part from some items they had recovered a few days later by a local bobby he was friends with.I wondered if anyone could possibly identify it at all.
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Can anyone Identify this part please ?
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Hello Mike,
I have a boat on Coniston and was reading the Bluebird book while moored up alongside the jetty having a brew when he commented on the book,and we got talking.He said he now lives in Hawkshead and he recounted the story,saying how a few days later he was given the part from some items they had recovered.
He returned the day after and gave it too me,he didnt want anything for it,just saying he would like it to go to someone who would appreciate it,as he has no family.
I think he was just glad to chat to be honest.
H
I have a boat on Coniston and was reading the Bluebird book while moored up alongside the jetty having a brew when he commented on the book,and we got talking.He said he now lives in Hawkshead and he recounted the story,saying how a few days later he was given the part from some items they had recovered.
He returned the day after and gave it too me,he didnt want anything for it,just saying he would like it to go to someone who would appreciate it,as he has no family.
I think he was just glad to chat to be honest.
H
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Thats fair enough Mike,i have no knowledge of construction materials and methods used on K7,i am only recounting what i was told last week.My emails address is my previous business before i retired last year.If you say its not then thats good enough for me,all it cost me was an hours friendly banter with a lovely old gentleman.
Thanks H
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Yup - agree completely. It's not Bluebird. I'd say a chunk of aircraft engine cover or some similar removable panel. The turned edge and the spreaders where the fasteners go through are features that simply aren't to be found anywhere on K7. It's a hard alloy too looking at those fractures so a copper / aluminium material typical of aircraft construction and not the soft alloy used on the boat.I have to say, my gut reaction is that it is not a piece of Bluebird; everything just seems wrong about it; the material, the little torn edges, the rolled edge, and so on. K7 material is pretty distinctive and without wishing to insult the word of the person that gave it to you, personally I'd say that this is from something else, or even faked. Just my gut opinion though. What do you reckon, Bill?
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Just to play Devil's advocate, and answer a question I had while researching my book, how many later "third party" installations went into K7, either from day one, or on a record by record basis? I rralise the radio was army, rather than air force, but what are the chances this part might be from a thrid party install, and of what?
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Fair enough!!!
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Hi Harmony
If there is a chance we could meet I probably know the gent who lives in Hawkshead to whom you are referring or would at least recognize him. My name is Novie Dzinora and I live in Coniston and I am a longstanding member of the Bluebird project and helped recover many parts not to mention the big bit that came out on 8th March 2001. Mr. John Wood still alive was the Policemen in Coniston at the time and Mr. Mason was his special Constable sadly passed away. Are you still in Coniston could we perhaps meet and i could take a close look at the said item? We could have a drink in the Bluebird cafe or better a local pub?
Novie
Coniston
If there is a chance we could meet I probably know the gent who lives in Hawkshead to whom you are referring or would at least recognize him. My name is Novie Dzinora and I live in Coniston and I am a longstanding member of the Bluebird project and helped recover many parts not to mention the big bit that came out on 8th March 2001. Mr. John Wood still alive was the Policemen in Coniston at the time and Mr. Mason was his special Constable sadly passed away. Are you still in Coniston could we perhaps meet and i could take a close look at the said item? We could have a drink in the Bluebird cafe or better a local pub?
Novie
Coniston
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Mike, Can you say how big the piece of the nose that is missing. if there is anything left of the nose and if / how the badge was removed.
The questions are because I know a diver who went onto BB with the express intention of removing certain items, one of which was the nose badge. The other wasn't there so he couldn't get it ! If you can state it was deliberately removed I will try and find him [It was the 1970's and I haven't seen him since the late 1980's] I know he is traceable if he is alive.
The questions are because I know a diver who went onto BB with the express intention of removing certain items, one of which was the nose badge. The other wasn't there so he couldn't get it ! If you can state it was deliberately removed I will try and find him [It was the 1970's and I haven't seen him since the late 1980's] I know he is traceable if he is alive.
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Assuming that the piece was found locally, take your pic from:Mike Bull wrote:Well, sorry if you're disappointed, but the more I look at it the more I'm convinced that this is a fragment of crashed aircraft. I wonder what type?
Avro Anson
Beech AT-8
Fairey Barracuda
Handley Page Halifax
Two Hawker Hurricanes
All of which are known to have crashed within about 3 miles of Coniston during World War 2. Bits of some of them remain in the hills to this day.
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Just had another look and I spotted what might be a clue. If you look at those diamond-shaped doublers in the first pic it's clear that they have been spot welded on and that is not typical on old aluminium. It's also most definitely not Bluebird so I think that question is settled once and for all. So, we're left with aircraft, which is what we supposed in the first place, and the only aircraft manufacturer that I'm aware of that used spot welding was Handley-Page so maybe it is a chunk of Halifax.
I also managed to contradict myself.
I also managed to contradict myself.
That ought to read something like 'not the soft alloy that comprises the handful of fragments we haven't been able to recover'. Thought I'd flag that as I keep banging on about the ridiculous materials we have to keep sourcing from here there and everywhere in order to follow Ken's book of sponson instructions.It's a hard alloy too looking at those fractures so a copper / aluminium material typical of aircraft construction and not the soft alloy used on the boat.
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