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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Mike Bull » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 am

We do already have a FAQ page-

http://www.bluebirdproject.com/index.php?id=19

-but that's a good idea to update it with some of this stuff.

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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:11 am

It's a good idea in principle but the problem is that people believe what they want to believe. A good example is that some imagine Sky News have installed a pipeline into my bank account down which cash is pumped at high volume and pressure and if only they could work out how to tap into it... Others have long maintained that the whole effort was a conspiracy by the BBC (again for which we we're handsomely rewarded) or that we've always intended to steal K7 and take her on a world tour (in order to be handsomely rewarded).

No amount of being transparent and honest will deviate these people so they endlessly put the poison in.
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Malcolm Ops » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:11 pm

Had to look back in time to check a date and way back on this forum was the topic ' Byelaw Amendment for K7'.

Even back then the BBP was not confident that we would be allowed to run K7 on Coniston Water ....... so there was chat of the Plan B for the Proving Trials (yes, plural was in use). I have been dusting off an old file .........

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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:27 am

An interesting day today - and credit to certain individuals for returning calls. Thank you for that.

Got a better look at the naughtiness perpetrated against Malcolm by the LDNPA too. We have black and white documentation dated June 2008 setting out our requirements for good weather and including all ages in the proving trials, not to mention many references over the years on our website and forum to the same effect, and that's without the countless meetings attended by the both of us where we made the point time and again. Yet, when we went suggesting in late 2017 that it was maybe time to set something in stone, we we were told of a 'presumption' going all the way back to the byelaw application that stated,

"no weekend, no bank holidays, no school holidays". That was what we were told at the time, apparently. I think you'll find it wasn't, Mr. LDNPA.

Naughty, naughty. Because had any such thing been suggested back then we'd have baled out or fixed it. It transpired that what we were handed in late 2017 were doctored documents pertaining to Windermere that contain this presumption. It certainly wasn't mentioned back in the day. Oh how I love Malcolm's religious documentation of everything.

So - moving on - I've been invited to attend all sorts of panic-induced councils of war these past few days, all with a view to getting K7 onto Coniston Water with minimal embarrassment to those who should have had their part of the job in hand just as we have all this time at the BBP, and my answer is always an emphatic 'yes' but with the condition that I'll only attend to go through a list of positive points in writing proposed by the chief obstacle-makers in this process so we can knock over the identified problems and move forwards - and the LDNPA is far and away not the only defendant.

Guess what...

Moving on again, we're told that the LDNPA 'can't' do this or that. Cuts no ice with the BBP whose mantra has always been that 'there's no such word as can't'. Can't is simply a contraction of 'cannot be bothered to, or am incapable of, solving the problem at hand'. Seems they await an application that certainly isn't coming from us. Bob Cartwright of the LDNPA, now long retired, told us when we first hopefully embarked on this journey that they,

'Wanted world class attractions to sustain the park'.

That was good enough for us, he was a cracking bloke, and we took the LDNPA at its word so depending upon what his successors make of his vision they either need to declare their apathy or grow a pair.

And finally... the most staggering demonstration of parochialism I have ever encountered, without question. (and not from the LDNPA, in their defence) came when discussing the timing and its relevance to inspiring the kids. Some of the dates discussed recently (when the next generation was locked up in school and therefore unable to attend) were held up as justifiable because,

"All the schools round here [Cumbria] will arrange a special day to come and see Bluebird."

"And what about the schools around here?" [the rest of the UK] I asked.

Possibly the longest silence I've ever heard down a phone line...
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Techteam » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:00 am

AH, the joys of dealing with the LDNPA, on the one hand if it's what they want, you will do as we say and if it's not what they want, it's we have no authority to decide or change that. There are a lot of Tits sorry it's there.

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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Malcolm Ops » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:38 am

For those who did not follow the three day exchange of views on a facebook site hosted by a K7 historian, I have taken a moment to wonder why this phrase was used by the LDNPA? [I think their legal eagle had looked over every word being used.]

"Bluebird K7 could be launched on Coniston now and run under power up to 10mph"

As it was written: the LDNPA knows that the boat known as K7 is not ready, (but it will be operable by August); the LDNPA should understand that cruising around at 10mph in displacement mode is not how this craft is to be remembered, (the wording of the Proving Trial was written to overcome this); there are no LDNPA 'timing of the event' restrictions set down in the posting (could 'now' mean during any school holiday period?).

I am still wondering, but would it be reasonable to suggest that in 2019 that is how they want the return of K7 to proceed?
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:46 am

I am still wondering, but would it be reasonable to suggest that in 2019 that is how they want the return of K7 to proceed?
Do you mean at 10mph in the displacement condition?

Hey, how about we do two weeks of that in August. Advertise it well in advance, issue a press release then wallow up and down making noise and spray for a fortnight. We would, of course, have to explain to the world that we couldn't go any faster because the un-elected bureaucrats wouldn't let us and how the place was total chaos because Stonybridge hadn't lifted a finger for ten years to organise an event but what fun it would be.

Anyone up for it?
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Re: Return to the Water

Post by Mike Bull » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:25 pm

Parochialism
noun

a limited or narrow outlook, especially focused on a local area; narrow-mindedness.
"accusations of parochialism"
synonyms: narrow-mindedness, localism, provincialism, insularity, narrowness, small-mindedness

Yup.

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Re: Return to the Water

Post by conistoncollie » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:45 pm

Question for the historians.
Just wondering what sort of official permissions Donald Campbell had to negotiate in 1966 in order to run Bluebird K7 on Coniston Water?

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Re: Return to the Water

Post by BFG » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:35 pm

Most probably still waiting for the official answer :roll:

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