Out of this World.......

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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by KW Mitchell » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:15 pm

I came to the recording 'cold' and just tried to discern what that preceding phrase was ----------- just shows how difficult retrospective analysis is!

What I would be more forthright about is that I agree that fancy filtering and computer analysis techniques will do little to help. The signal-to-noise ratio of the recording is very poor and frankly the good old ear-brain system take some beating in these situations.

It's downfall is that we humans inevitably apply a subjective overlay to the process which means we're biased by foreknowledge of the subject - particularly by what's been written about it - or it's context. This is true of all human perceptual processes whether they be sight, sound, smell or touch.

The only way that the conundrum could be solved is if there was another pristine recording of Campbell exclaiming 'I'm going' or 'I'm gone'. This could then be used as a mask or template against which the contentious recording could be compared by a computer to see if there was a significant mathematical correlation - (my apologies for launching into technicalities!). Obviously, no such template exists and therefore a definitive outcome as to what exactly was said is unlikely ever to be achieved -----------!

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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by captainbear » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:50 pm

The posts expressed on this forum show just why it is such a good idea to have it. The original photographs are a real highlight and I hope there are more to come.
The old chestnut about Donald’s final words has been particularly interesting and raised several good arguments, but I reckon there will probably never be a definite answer to it. K7 only decided to take off as it did, once, and I don’t suppose even a brave man like Donald would have been able to keep talking on the radio in a “normal and controlled” voice as everything went wrong. Perhaps he said something similar as CN7 decided to take flight and that could be compared with the K7 final words. All I do know is my final words certainly wouldn’t be “I’m going” or “I’m gone”!!!
For my money, I hear “I’m goh-on” and it’s the shock in his voice that makes a one-syllable word into two.
And I'm on my knees looking for the answer, are we Human or are we Dancer.

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Post by Renegadenemo » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:25 am

We played the tape in the workshop tonight, a first-generation copy of the reel-to-reel recording made by Corp. Evans on the morning of Jan 4th 67. Most of it is clear enough to be beyond question. Eight of us listened to the final few seconds and only one thought Donald said 'gone' to the open and vociferous disbelief of the other seven. We're looking into how we can get this material onto the BBP site for everyone else to make up their minds.
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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by Rotterdam1953 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:18 am

Bill,
Please bring it on....... ;-)

Arthur

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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by Drewski » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:04 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2560957.stm

the BBc reported that this is their interpretation of Donalds last communication at Coniston.... ( see above link )

"The water's dark green and I can't see a bloody thing. Hallo the bow is up. I'm going. I'm on my back. I'm gone".

but i reserve judgement till i've heard a decent recording.....

Excellent forum, at least we can appreciate everyone's input as to what was said :?:
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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by Mike Bull » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:50 pm

That BBC thing isn't just misinterpreting words, it's adding whole bits in from nowhere too! :o

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Post by Rotterdam1953 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:11 pm

Mike Bull wrote:That BBC thing isn't just misinterpreting words, it's adding whole bits in from nowhere too! :o
This link won't work, so I'm none the wiser.

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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by Renegadenemo » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:12 pm

When I can find my capture hardware - I think I put it in the loft - I'm going to digitise the recording of final two runs so we can all have a go at filling in the blanks. The first run has lots of bits that are difficult to work out but the last few words before the crash are,

'I'm getting a lot of bloody row in here, I can't see anything'

There then follows a brief pause, presumably while he looks out the window and wonders what's occurring. Then he says,

'I've got the bows out' (He says 'out' very clearly though it's often replaced with 'up')

'I'm going!'

'Ugh...'
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Post by Drewski » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:26 am

hi Mike - Do you think it would be possible to have a Recording of the what was said on the last run posted on the site as Audio ? I dont know if this would offend ?
But i would really like to hear a decent recording of what was said - and what better place to house it than here ?
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Re: Out of this World.......

Post by Mike Bull » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:44 am

Not my department- that would be for Bill to decide and Al to implement, and I'm more concerned about stopping the spam problem for now.

That said, I'm sure having the final run recording to hand for all would promote some healthy debate! I mean it's only recently that I've come to the opinion that 'I can't get over the top' is possibly 'I'm galloping over the top'. (Confused further by Donald having used both phrases on previous occasions)

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