Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Renegadenemo » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:05 pm

We developed our safety plan on Bute so they have nothing to worry about. As for a traffic plan, well that's all theirs to sort.
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Post by Ernie Lazenby » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:40 pm

Thanks Jett. I did try to keep it factual without getting personal but my comments did get me some silly e mails which I deleted forthwith. My last post on the subject was simply to say its as far as we are going to get and I noticed Bill did not disagree with my summing up.(okay he did not agree either) If anyone wants to think about the question of ownership further, one needs to look at the 'Campbell family heritage trust' In particular what Donalds widow agreed in 2001. She agreed to waive Donalds will and handed ownership of the wreck to the CFHT with conditions. Those conditions are however not available to be read. The CFHT was formed in 2001. Jean and Don Wales, Gina Campbell and Peter and Brian Hulme. Presumably Gina was acting for the CFHT when she gifted it?? to the Ruskin museum. That gets us back to the beginning of this thread. Tried my best, for others to pick it up if they so wish. The question of legal ownership rather than a moral right of ownership can only be finally determined by someone getting well paid to make such determinations.

The public on the outside looking in and reading press reports can only think Bill with the Project owns K7. The piece in the Westmoreland Gazette in recent days was interesting and adds to the perception. Assuming the rights of an owner does not make one the owner. In the final analysis it is for the legal owner of K7 Bluebird to determine what should happen and not any one person or organisation assuming the rights of an owner, that of course supposes the person/organisation with legal title wants to be that involved?

The formation of the new companies in Coniston is an interesting development. No idea what they are for. Time will tell.


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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by JamesT » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:27 pm

Renegadenemo wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:00 am
Was told today that the good old LDNPA await two applications. One for a public event and one to run at speed. Well I wonder who will make those applications. Certainly it's not our event - we're just the headline act - so it will be interesting to see how that develops.

In the meantime, following what we learned about or limits on Loch Fad, we now have two possible sites in the North East should Northumbrian Water wish to host us. We could run on Kielder water, though it's a bit deep here and there, or on the Derwent Reservoir in Co. Durham.

Bill - have you considered St Mary's Loch in the Borders? Maybe a touch deep (40m in places), good access, some nice calm waters at times (!), a cafe and a pub nearby. There is a sailing club on the loch with premises at the south end but not sure how frequently they actually use the loch. Just a thought.

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Post by Chris Williams » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:10 am

What about Bassenthwaite Lake?

6.4 km long with well over 5km usable. Only 21 metres deep. There is a brief narrow point about one third of the way down, but it's straight. Possible launch site at the North end.
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Post by Malcolm Ops » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:43 am

Guidance to all who wish to offer alternatives water locations for running K7 in the UK (or even abroad).

Nothing within the jurisdiction of the LDNPA (Cumbria if you will) is worthwhile, as there are only two lakes which have facility in the Bye Laws to go above 10mph. A Bye Law change can take nearly 5 years. Been there done that, earnt nothing from it.

Deep water Lochs are not enticing to our dive teams.

Loch Fad is within an SSSI location, with nesting Osprey at certain times. The BBP does know how to behave in scientifically sensitive locations.

In land water that reacts much like a sea is not appropriate.

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Post by pmc » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:02 pm

Did you just say "Lake Winnebago"?

15x50km and 6m deep with many access points and little bureaucracy.
Big noisy fast boats welcome. Ted will find friends and Bluebird may find a fair race.
The local sailing speed record was 143mph before Donald got started.

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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:21 pm

The great thing is we realised that we can put on a proper show with only a mile and a bit of water and that opens up a whole new world of possibilities for people to see this icon in action. It's a fundamental tenet of the museum world that any object should be made available and accessible to the wider public wherever possible so this can only be a good thing for all concerned.

And one thing I especially enjoyed was blasting a 1950s jet hydroplane across a SSSI while Ospreys hunted around us - those big fabulous birds didn't care a damn - did you know they hover like a big Kestrel before stooping to nick one of Jimmy's fish? I didn't. Our simple oil boom kept any spilt kero off the otters too.

Bute really is the land of common sense! I so can't wait for some jobsworth enviro-mentalist to wibble at us on the next gig. Unless they can take our ospreys and otters and raise us a unicorn they can go fudge themselves...

Ted's last hot run. Arguably on-limits but pretty spectacular and an example of what can be demonstrated on not a lot of water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mog89EDYFd0
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Post by rich1608 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:39 pm

Renegadenemo wrote:
Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:21 pm
The great thing is we realised that we can put on a proper show with only a mile and a bit of water
That includes Bewl Water near me on the Kent/Sussex border. Yes it's an odd shape but given the turn Ted put in at the end of that video I'm sure he (and Stew) could pilot K7 from one corner to the other. And K3 was on it recently too https://www.bewlwater.co.uk/whats-on/te ... e-bird-k3/
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Post by midlife » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:56 pm

Renegadenemo wrote: Ted's last hot run. Arguably on-limits but pretty spectacular and an example of what can be demonstrated on not a lot of water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mog89EDYFd0

OMFG!!!
There are some proper skills on display right there!!!!
Don’t think I’ve ever seen anything so dramatic!!
Thanks for sharing Bill[.]
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Post by quicksilver-wsr » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:18 pm

Lumme! :shock:

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