Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Renegadenemo » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:15 am

I would much prefer that the BBP and the Ruskin sit down like adults and hash things out and reach an agreement

I'd like to make a point here because so many observers have said that we should stop the squabbling and sit down like grownups and they are both absolutely right and completely unfair. BBP has been trying for weeks and months to have our museum partners even take a phone call without result. We did not instigate this squabble. We would have gladly met a long time ago to sort this out but we are in the unfortunate position of being like the chap who went out for a quiet beer with the missus only to have some drunken fool throw a punch. Wasn't our idea to be rolling around the bar room floor right now so please don't criticise us too harshly for rising to our own defence.

So - in the interests of stopping the squabble, sitting down like adults, etc. we offer the following.



Open Letter to The Ruskin Museum Trustees.


Dear Sirs,

As conventional means of communication seem not to be working at this time we write to you via our forum as we know you read it.

We write to suggest that the current situation is not achieving anything and has been proven a wrong-turn at best. We therefore invite you to put this unfortunate episode behind us and join with us in displaying K7 in Scotland for the benefit of the public on the July dates vacated by the BEWG.

Should you not wish to join with us would you either confirm that you have no objection to us displaying K7 without your participation or set out for all concerned any objections you may have in in this regard in order that we may all fully understand your position.

We sincerely hope that you will embrace this opportunity as this would not only provide an invaluable resource for both BBP and the museum going forward with regard to future running and, in particular, running on Coniston Water, but also an ongoing opportunity to discuss any fine-tuning of our various agreements with a view to finalising the matter.

We would be grateful also if you would have your response with us no later than 4.00pm on Saturday 13th April in order that we may make the most efficient use of the limited time remaining.

Should we not hear from you by this time we shall take this to mean that you have no comment or wish of involvement in either instance and that we are free to proceed and will therefore issue a press release on Monday 15th April 2019 to the effect that K7 will be displayed running on the water for public benefit in Scotland between July 19th and July 29th 2019.

We await your response and remain.

Yours faithfully.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Healey nut » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:18 am

Ahem ....Bill ......Monday is the 15th April .....you might want to correct that . :D
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by lstewa38 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:36 am

Best of luck to you. I hope to see her running soon.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Filtertron » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:20 am

Healey nut wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:36 pm
Filtertron wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:16 pm
Healey nut wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am
Signed contract = legally binding agreement between two or more parties to complete something.
Verbal agreement, non binding often misinterpreted.....
Promise , often broken or empty ie “the check is in the mail” or “I’ll pay you back next week”
I guess there is a degree of schadenfreude in this for you...?
Absolutely not , I want to see K7 on the water at power more than anything , its on my bucket list . I have followed the project now for ages and donated to the cause .
I would much prefer that the BBP and the Ruskin sit down like adults and hash things out and reach an agreement that pleases both sides and secures the future of K7 both as a static and running piece of history.
It seems at the moment that all there is is she said he said and lots of mudslinging on social media instead of real progress on where and when K7 will end up .
However without a signed contract its going to be whole lot more difficult to establish who owns and has the rights to which bits and if K7 will ever see open water again .
I do apologies to you. I mistakenly interpreted you posts as thus. Thanks for the clarification.

I agree about both the BBP and Rusken sitting down and talking, but I don't think I have seen any mudslinging. I have only seen sheer frustration from the BBP at getting no reaction from the Rusken, and there has been, well, nothing at all from the Rusken aside from a few rumblings about the ownership of K7.

This is a huge opportunity for the Rusken, and a marketing tool beyond their wildest dreams. Instead; they seem intent on pissing it down the drain, rather than embrace this golden opportunity that they have been given. The partnership with the BBP could put them on the world stage, and attract millions of people worldwide to visit the Rusken and Coniston when K7 goes out on the water (either in Coniston or on tour), and also during it's off season in their Bluebird wing. Instead they only seem interested in being bureaucratic, rather than being a part of living, breathing history.

All it takes is a phone call; putting the politics of ownership aside, and working together to achieve a common goal. It's not rocket science. It's as easy as that, and the possibilities are endless.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Sam_68 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:06 am

Renegadenemo wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:15 am
I would much prefer that the BBP and the Ruskin sit down like adults and hash things out and reach an agreement

I'd like to make a point here because so many observers have said that we should stop the squabbling and sit down like grownups and they are both absolutely right and completely unfair. BBP has been trying for weeks and months to have our museum partners even take a phone call without result. We did not instigate this squabble. We would have gladly met a long time ago to sort this out but we are in the unfortunate position of being like the chap who went out for a quiet beer with the missus only to have some drunken fool throw a punch. Wasn't our idea to be rolling around the bar room floor right now so please don't criticise us too harshly for rising to our own defence.
There is a certain irony in making this claim, and then using the forum to post an open letter 'because you know that they read it', when you have spent so much time on puerile name calling and attacks against the Ruskin (and other bodies) on here in the past.

If you didn't instigate the squabble, then I would suggest that certainly it was a lack of professionalism and maturity in your handling of it in the public realm that has led to a total breakdown in their trust.

Only one side has chosen to make it a public bar room brawl (although playground spat would seem to be a better description).

I would suggest that you take a long, hard look at your own behaviour in this matter, before criticising that of others.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by thunderer » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:32 am

Sam_68 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:06 am

There is a certain irony in making this claim, and then using the forum to post an open letter 'because you know that they read it', when you have spent so much time on puerile name calling and attacks against the Ruskin (and other bodies) on here in the past.

If you didn't instigate the squabble, then I would suggest that certainly it was a lack of professionalism and maturity in your handling of it in the public realm that has led to a total breakdown in their trust.

Only one side has chosen to make it a public bar room brawl (although playground spat would seem to be a better description).

I would suggest that you take a long, hard look at your own behaviour in this matter, before criticising that of others.
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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by longarmedgibbon » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:22 am

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by ace_chris » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:40 am

@sam_68 don’t be a dick. Bill and the team have only ever repeated on this forum the total lack of communication from the Ruskin and associated parties. Its not their fault the Ruskin are burying their heads in the sand, and choosing not to engage in dialogue which seems to demonstrate their position is very weak in all of this!

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Ernie Lazenby » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:02 pm

I offer the following with no ill directed towards anyone; I am afraid this will be my last post on this subject. I think it is very inappropriate for the matter to be played out on this forum given that lawyers are involved. It really is unreasonable to expect the Ruskin trustees to enter direct dialogue with the BBP after they have employed a lawyer with the possibility of further action to come. The open letter published by the BBP in this thread ought to have been in private to the lawyer acting for the Ruskin Trustees. Expecting the trustees to read this forum, they probably do but that's not the point, and respond regarding the intention to go to Bute with a deadline is really pushing the boundaries of good behaviour.

I said so some time ago that some of the comments on this forum going back some years would not help a relationship with the Ruskin museum and to some extent could be read as forceful and antagonistic. I think the Trustees have acted with decorum and not been drawn into such language. The fact that the Ruskin trustees have not hitherto responded to e mails or telephone calls is clearly an indication they do not accept that anything has changed after the initial contracts were signed, the 2013 contract submitted by the BBP appears never to have been signed, and expect what was agreed to be completed.
One side of this dispute gives all the appearance of protesting too much.
Please folks try and remember that trustees have responsibilities and just because some don't like what they do it does not make them wrong or bad people.

Surely the BBP must now take legal advice from a lawyer rather than relying on google.

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Re: Donald Campbell's restored Bluebird in museum home row

Post by Renegadenemo » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Surely the BBP must now take legal advice from a lawyer rather than relying on google.
Way ahead of you, Ernie. We've had top lawyers since 2001 when Mr. Ffoulks-Halbard claimed to own the wreckage.
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