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SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:06 am
by lstewa38
If you want to see The Bluebird run, please sign the below petition. It will show The Ruskin just how much support there is to see her run not just this summer but also in the future. Please click on the link and sign, it only takes a minute and it’s free.

There are over 900 signatures already but we need more.

Thank you everyone.

http://chng.it/pXMYPGvFY7

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 4:12 pm
by MintSprint
In the interests of democratic balance, those who believe that Bluebird should be handed to her legal owners, and return to Coniston where the public can see her on a daily basis, may be interested in this petition:
http://chng.it/y8MtCMXXNW

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm
by Filtertron
MintSprint wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 4:12 pm
In the interests of democratic balance, those who believe that Bluebird should be handed to her legal owners, and return to Coniston where the public can see her on a daily basis, may be interested in this petition:
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That is a point of conjecture. The boat was willed by DMC to Leo Villa in the event of his demise, so that Villa could continue DMC's work. The fact that the Campbell Family Trust gifted it to the Ruskin when it was willed to Villa, and should rightfully be owned by Leo Villa's Estate, casts quite a lot of doubt on the Ruskin's ownership, and the legality of the deed of gift from the CFT.

Thanks for your offer, but no thanks. I do not believe that Coniston is K7's "spiritual home" either, as it was the scene of her greatest tragedy. I prefer to think that her "spiritual home" is were K7 and DMC's greatest triumph was. I also don't want to see a living piece of history shoved in a museum, dead. Given the fact that Bill and the BBP as a collective have lived and breathed K7 for the past 17 years of their lives, do you not think it is understandable that they want to keep her running for three months of the year?

Also, if you'd like your petition to be taken seriously (other than by a few Consiston locals), you might see fit to delete the petulant personal attacks against Bill from your petition. Getting personal is extremely unprofessional, and is only used as a tactic when there isn't a valid argument to be made. By contrast Robert's petition (which I, and many others from around the world have signed), is pretty simple in it's aim: we only want the museum to allow the BBP access to K7, so that she is taken out to run, and kept in tip-top condition. It is appealing to the Ruskin for common sense, and for fairness. It isn't attacking them, as the spiel in your petition does Bill.

Fair is fair. The BBP have done all the work so far, and that includes sourcing donations of materials and money to bring K7 back from the dead. It hasn't cost the Ruskin a penny, nor any of their time. Surely allowing the BBP the three months of summer every year for maintenance, and allow her the chance to fly isn't too much to ask? Surely the BBP deserve that courtesy at the very least for all the hard graft they have put in.

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:12 pm
by Sam_68
Filtertron wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm
Getting personal is extremely unprofessional, and is only used as a tactic when there isn't a valid argument to be made.
You might want to remind others around here of that fact... you know, the ones who invented the term 'Type 3' for that specific purpose? :D

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:33 pm
by Malcolm Ops
Filtertron wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm
That is a point of conjecture. The boat was willed by DMC to Leo Villa in the event of his demise, so that Villa could continue DMC's work. The fact that the Campbell Family Trust gifted it to the Ruskin when it was willed to Villa, and should rightfully be owned by Leo Villa's Estate, casts quite a lot of doubt on the Ruskin's ownership, and the legality of the deed of gift from the CFT.
The British Courts were called in to the battle over the ownership claim made by Paul Foulkes-Halbard, the late owner of Filching Manor Motor Museum, East Sussex. I took little interest in Bluebird K7 matters back then, but the Court decided the following (well according to a news paper they did).

"A consent order lodged at the High Court in London today, declared Tonia Bern-Campbell and the executors of Campbell's will as the rightful owners. Mrs Bern-Campbell has now arranged for the boat to be transferred to the Campbell Heritage Trust, which was set up to commemorate her husband's achievements and those of his father, the late Sir Malcolm Campbell, who died in 1949". Source: Daily Telegraph, 07 Sept 2001.

Surely the Court would have seen the terms of the Will?

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 pm
by Ernie Lazenby
I have an authorised copy of DC's will obtained from the national probate office. Seems clear to me why the court decided what it did. I see no problem with the deed of gift. The only document that matters is that which Bill Smith and the Ruskin trustees signed in 2006.
Signatures clear on both. No other document of any relevance exists changing that agreement, end of. The endless protestations about something that was never signed up to in 2013 will amount to zero.


BTW It costs £10 to get a copy of a will.

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:04 pm
by ace_chris
Do you have a copy of any of the verbal agreements?

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 pm
by Renegadenemo
Not verbal, agreed in writing and in conduct...

It is VERY well understood that a contract does NOT require a signature. Simples...

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:16 pm
by lstewa38
The only people who know what’s going on legally are the two parties involved but for now if your want your say to support The Bluebird Project then please sign the petition below. We only need just over 100 signatures to reach 2000. Please sign.

http://chng.it/Fkw6DKjYjB

Re: SIGN THE PETITION PLEASE TO LET THE BLUEBIRD RUN

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:18 pm
by Filtertron
Malcolm Ops wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 6:33 pm
Filtertron wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm
That is a point of conjecture. The boat was willed by DMC to Leo Villa in the event of his demise, so that Villa could continue DMC's work. The fact that the Campbell Family Trust gifted it to the Ruskin when it was willed to Villa, and should rightfully be owned by Leo Villa's Estate, casts quite a lot of doubt on the Ruskin's ownership, and the legality of the deed of gift from the CFT.
The British Courts were called in to the battle over the ownership claim made by Paul Foulkes-Halbard, the late owner of Filching Manor Motor Museum, East Sussex. I took little interest in Bluebird K7 matters back then, but the Court decided the following (well according to a news paper they did).

"A consent order lodged at the High Court in London today, declared Tonia Bern-Campbell and the executors of Campbell's will as the rightful owners. Mrs Bern-Campbell has now arranged for the boat to be transferred to the Campbell Heritage Trust, which was set up to commemorate her husband's achievements and those of his father, the late Sir Malcolm Campbell, who died in 1949". Source: Daily Telegraph, 07 Sept 2001.

Surely the Court would have seen the terms of the Will?
I stand corrected, and thanks for that info, Malcolm. I was quite unaware of it. The will is something I have only recently stumbed across, and the info of DMC leaving K7 to Leo Villa, certainly was an eye-opener. If the courts have ruled otherwise, that is fine and I retract that part of my post. Thanks again.