Where can Bluebird be seen

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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Malcolm Ops » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:28 pm

Jett wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:09 am
Given the refusal to open up co-operative lines of communication over the course of the past 10 years - as opposed to sneering salvoes from an internet forum- that is effectively how long Coniston has had to prepare.
As I have been heard stating at de-briefing meetings - "no profanity and no swearing" - but to be told I have failed to co-operate and communicate over the last ten years is almost 'delete expletives by the bucket load' WRONG. So totally WRONG I have hit the keyboard rather than work on parts of the BBP safety plan.

The first task I took on, with Bill's blessing, was to find and obtain a way for the Bluebird to be run on Coniston Water. I started this in 2005/6. This was achieved through talking with those in the village, on the Council and in the LDNPA. The Coniston Water Bye Laws were amended (late 2010) and signed off. These tell everyone what the Proving Trial of K7 will consist of and what the World can expect from the BBP on the water.

The parts of the boat had been recovered in 2001 and yet no one in the village had done anything to facilitate the return except that during the same time period as the Bye Law change was being discussed the Ruskin Museum raised funding and built an extension called the Bluebird wing. Everyone was told of the need for the Proving Trial TWELVE (12) years ago.

In mid 2015 I started detailed discussions with the CPC and was invited in December 2015 to personally speak with the Parish Council and any members of the village who took an interest. The detail was about the Proving Trial. The Council decided an event working group should be set up to plan for the return of the craft on to Coniston Water. In March 2016 the group started discussing what needed to be done. Detailed discussions have been held between the BBP and Coniston representatives for the LAST THREE YEARS.

The BBP crew decided that I should attend these meetings which have been held every six weeks (except in the summer break). They were never secret as I was in the village for two days every six weeks as a volunteer. I think that I had opened and contributed to co-operative communication in those two years, if not during the seven or so before.

I was rsponsible for suggesting some dates for the Proving Trial in late 2017, which were ignored, even though they did meet the compromise between a bank holiday and schools being on holiday, and there was an 'R' in the month. The dates did however focus the LDNPA minds and they respionded with the 'Christmas gift' of new documents outlining when and how the Proving Trial should "apply for exemption". These documents had been edited to try to remove Windermere and put Coniston in its place. Remember there is a Bye Law permitting runs by Bluebird K7 above 10mph.

Therfore the planning of the homecoming and any other Festival events around the Proving Trial of K7 could have started in detail two years ago. Not two months as the writer suggests.

As we are all watching the arrival of Storm Callum, it is worth repeating that although such events cannot be timetabled, all Councils and voluntary bodies have plans in place so as to react when the forecast suggests.

Do not keep trying to tell me that plans could only be put in place if a date is known. The village were 'primed' in 2005 and could have spoken with all concerned so that details could have been completed by the end of 2017 and put in the LDNPA format within weeks.

As this did not occur, the same outline planning should have, or may be has, been put in place by the village group since I stopped attending the Group meetings in March to attend to the planning of the Crew Training Exercise on Bute. Perhaps the LDNPA will receive documents (with July 2019 dates on the top) next week from the Festival Group in time to get sign off by January??

[Written in anger so apologies for any typo's.]
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Richie » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:06 pm

Before I forget, thanks for doing all that Malcolm :D

I know Sally has been in touch, I need to get in touch with you myself too, will make contact when we both get a spare minute !
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Renegadenemo » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:01 am

[Written in anger so apologies for any typo's.]
Malcolm, calm... no swearing or profanity. I think all we have here is moderate to severe Type I activity but we'll stay across it in the meantime in case of the need to issue a full Type II alert.

And, while we're putting the truth out there, please remind me how the fudged Windermere/Coniston documents played out last Christmas. Uncle Bulgaria left that out of his bottom-covering spiel on Wednesday. Perhaps he forgot like I have...
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Healey nut » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:07 pm

So reading between the lines and all the political flin flon .
K7 will be ready for Coniston (or wherever) in 2019
But as for Coniston being ready for K7 is still totally and completely up in the air and in the hands of the wibbling wombles and tree huggers ?
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Malcolm Ops » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:32 pm

Renegadenemo wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:01 am
... please remind me how the fudged Windermere/Coniston documents played out last Christmas. Uncle Bulgaria left that out of his bottom-covering spiel on Wednesday. Perhaps he forgot like I have...
This is a period with the project that I would rather forget. The 'timing' of the Proving Trial had now become a major stumbling block, although I said at the time not a hurdle but an attempted locked door.

The documents from the LDNPA were circulated with a covering e mail on Friday 8th December (sent at 16.37hrs).

The contents of the e mail became a discussion matter of the Bluebird Festival Group at their meeting on Wednesday 3rd January. At some point during that meeting I told all present that the LDNPA had chosen to 'prevent' the Proving Trial from taking place (by not considering months without an 'R' and the running of the craft during school holidays). They had 'locked the door' on the matter as any other view than their own was 'contentious'.

At the time I did not fully understand how important the timing of the circulation of the documents by the LDNPA was. I subsequently discovered that the papers or something similar had gone to the management of the Jaguar Vector boat team, who were seeking to make a UIM International and RYA National Speed Record attempt in 2018 on Coniston Water (an activity allowed by the Coniston Water Bye Laws). The CPC had been advised of timings requested by Jaguar Vector and they supported this speed record attempt at their 18th December meeting and I found out from their published minutes when they were posted on their website.

I take it from last weeks face to face meeting with the LDNPA that there is no 'locked door' and all can move forward.
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Renegadenemo » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:00 pm

I take it from last weeks face to face meeting with the LDNPA that there is no 'locked door' and all can move forward.
Following the well earned backlash of public opinion and derision aimed at the LDNPA resulting from the Bute exercise it would appear that someone with a modicum of either cunning (LDNPA does its bit then allows Coniston to fail = arse thoroughly covered) or common sense (it was a no-brainer in the first place) has summarily taken said door off its hinges and burned it!
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Richie » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:45 pm

The LDNPA were quite open about what’s what with running, furthermore the representative was confident that the event could go ahead if expedient hard work was put in.

My take on it was that as long as the running model meets muster as does the event planning schedule, there is a healthy chance that the event would pass the committee etc etc.

Remember one bloke cannot speak for the whole committee, but he did seem confident....

The issue is the extensive list of items the homecoming festival team have to get through in very limited time scale... the monthly meetings need to be changed to weekly, and it will take a no nonesense individual to crack the whip, cut through the crap and get the job done.

It will take a serious autocrat to pull this off I reckon.

I have every faith though.
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Renegadenemo » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:57 pm

It will take a serious autocrat to pull this off I reckon.
And therein lies the first and biggest problem. You don't get autocrats in the wishy-washy world of committees. Their whole architecture ensures that one wishy-washy individual fetters the next until the whole conglomeration can barely move. The way the LDNPA is on at the moment they'd likely sign off on old Mrs. Cannybody with a stop/go sign attached to her mobility scooter for a traffic management plan and a twelve year old in a canoe with a loudhailer for water safety just get the heat away from under their bureaucratic bottoms but getting forms signed off is only 10% of the job. The other 90% is being able to demonstrate that the Hoopla Committee can deliver it.
It's one thing to say they will police the shoreline and water from there to the course with ten boats but then we need them to deliver robust plans to provide those boats, crew them, fuel and equip them. Train and manage the crews, provide radio comm's that mesh with our own, etc, etc. And it's going to cost. Bute was expensive for us. At one stage we had to buy up every tube of Araldite on the island to build a new canopy. We had to put Duncan the driver in a hotel a couple of times, buy unexpected items, send vans ashore on the ferry for fuel we had to suddenly buy off-island. What I'm saying is that there will be both seen and unforeseen expense and it's a big job and our pleas that they begin fund raising ten years ago went as unheeded as our pleas to have a plan ready for the return. Literally none of this is in place...

Every faith! I'm not sure where that's coming from.
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Re: Where can Bluebird be seen

Post by Richie » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:03 am

Well, another successful trip to Coniston, surveyed our running line noted a number of considerations for the water safety plan.

All to go together shortly for the running model for K7 to return to Coniston in July 19.


I am still waiting on the promised reply from the LDNPA for the data I requested, left a number of messages now and an email. It appears they may have reneged on their promise Malcolm.

The information we discussed may need to be sourced elsewhere from someone more willing to be forthcoming.

All very strange ;)
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