Pic of the Day

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Postby Mike Bull » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:42 pm

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We've gotten quite used to seeing little piddles of fluid coming out of Bluebird lately thanks to Rob and his Ardoxing activities, so it took me a second to realise what I was seeing when I was called over for a look on Saturday; I was doubly confuzzled by the fact that the boat's been in the oven and all sorts, so how on earth could there STILL be lake water in it?! But there it was, pouring out! How did it even get in there- water pressure forcing it through a pinhole in a weld somewhere I guess?

Amazing, and yet more proof that the museum people had no idea what they were talking about with the 'leave it as it is'; approach to 'conservation'. :roll:
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby Terminator » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:26 pm

Hi Mike
Totally gobsmacked to be shown the water coming out of the frame on Saturday by Roberto :shock: Mind you it tasted OK to me even after all its been through these past 43yrs, genuine Coniston water alright :D

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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby bluebirdsback » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:47 pm

That was my new 1967 vintage. Glad you enjoyed it old boy.
On a serious note though it did knock the ardrox program back a bit. I'll get the bugger when its dry though.
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby Renegadenemo » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:38 am

I was gobsmacked too, having smugly assumed we'd long since bottomed the water ingress problem... You live and learn.

That water was heated to 200 degrees centigrade for over forty minutes and beyond its boiling point for several hours more but it was still lurking where we least expected to find it. On the plus side Rob did find it during his systematic opening of every void in the frame so it's now where it belongs - evaporated back into a cloud and heading for Coniston as we speak. Bloody good job too... Imagine what would've been said had it rotted through the frame sometime hence to prove we'd missed it all those years ago. Phew!
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby Russ » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:31 pm

That is an interesting one. As you say, it was heated to beyond boiling point, so it would have been a gas under pressure, looking for a way out of the void in the frame.

So why didn't it come back out of the way it came in? Maybe the engineering types here can answer this one, but given that there must be a way into the void at lake bed temperature and pressure, then what happens to that way in at room temperature, which its been at since it came out of the lake, not just at the oven temperature? And what sort of pressure does a given volume of water generate when turned to steam at 200C?

Is it expected behaviour for any low temperature, high pressure opening to seal up at ambient pressure and temperature, and stay sealed at high temperature, and the much higher pressure of steam compared to water? If you can move a whole train or very large ship just with the power of steam, then why didn't the steam find / blast its way out in the oven?

I can remember an experiment back in 'O' level Physics whereby a washer with a small gap through it was heated, but instead of the gap closing, it stayed as a gap because the ring expanded radially, i.e. outward much more than along the circumference, which it would need to do for the hole to close. Has the opposite happened here, and the presumably tiny hole has closed up at temperatures above lake bottom?

I guess that you're not expecting the Ardox to leak out and show the hole, as if it's there now, then the water would have already leaked through it by evaporation even if was too small for capillary action to bleed it.

What it does show is just how thorough and professional the team are being about the restoration of K7; that's one of the many things that the team doing the work can be proud of.
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby Renegadenemo » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:07 pm

I'd guess the answer is fairly simple. The welds are not very good and chances are the water was squeezed in there by the 4Bar pressure gradient while the boat was at 40m for 34 years. It'll have oozed in through a pinhole and probably didn't boil because the pressure generated would move the boiling point up - bit like a pressure cooker. It has no incentive to get back out either because the trapped air pressure must have equalized or it would be pushing the water out with a steady drip as it did in many places around the boat. Strange goings on, all the same after all this time.
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby bobkaz » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:29 pm

is this the dzinora from 4 ashes
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby Terminator » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:40 pm

Certainly is the Dzinora from the Four Ashes plant who might this be them from my past? Its not you Mr. Freeman by any chance?

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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby malcolm uk » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:27 pm

A vital record showing men might be tolerable and not too bad. But please do not let them have a vital record showing men from one or more ball chasing teams!
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Re: Pic of the Day

Postby Piston Broke » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:50 pm

malcolm uk wrote:A vital record showing men might be tolerable and not too bad. But please do not let them have a vital record showing men from one or more ball chasing teams!



If the blokes of the BBP team do 2 months each we can do a calander for the BBP ladies ( we have bigger bodies than those other male calanders)
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